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BEF! Decisions, Decisions! Help Us Pick!

BEF! Decisions, Decisions! Help Us Pick!

The layout is back for the BEF and we have some choices to make as not all the parts will fit! 

Here is the wishlist we sent to layout: 

And here is where we are: 

As you can see there are a lot of parts that aren't fitting currently including most of the duplicated items that are needed on the frame to outfit the six figures. There are some extra covered helmet heads that can go away without much fuss. 

But before we took our red Sharpie to this we wanted to hear from you! Let us know what you would like to see done here to get to a complete, final frame of parts. 

(Also keep in mind that some of these parts can also end up on the weapons team frame)

Opine away below! 

 

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Dennis Horne - December 21, 2023

Again look at how Perrys did their 28mm ACW heads.

Heads with separate hats/kepis. Do a basic 6 helmeted as is, then a selection of the rest with head and hat swaps. Add extra baggage to taste ? Very/flare Pistol wrist as a conversion option to the officer pistol hand?
Al Turnbull - December 21, 2023

15 tommy guns in a box of 30 is just silly, you could also cut the number of non tin hat heads down to 5 from 7.

If an I heavy weapons half frame is on the cards (along the lines of the Italian kit) I think it would make sense to move the 2 inch and Boys there along with the alternate poses for each of the automatic weapons leave one of each on the frame and put the P14s back.

Al Turnbull - December 21, 2023

Havnt decided what I’m doing with these but a common bane of my existence is the inability to feild a legal list because a WW2 kit included a bunch of special weapons at the exspense of rifles. The kit is on track to have 15 tommy guns for 30 men? Not sure there is a rule set were you can arm half your early war Brits with smgs. I would prefer to have the P14s. I would also happily give up a 1-3 of each alternate head except the tin hats.

If you guys are thinking about an extra weapons frame along the lines of the italian box I honestly think it would be a great idea, move the 2inch and Boys AT over there put one of each of the L/SMG poses on the main frame move the alts there as well, that way you can mix it up a bit but don’t loose out on rifles.

Chris - December 20, 2023

I really like part 69 with the gun being held up – it’d be great if that could stay along with the other two (68 and 18).
There are many head options (having choice is great, but 39 heads for six bodies is probably a bit too much choice?), so a handful of those could go to provide space – but please keep the capped heads 26-32. I’m planning on using these as Warhammer 40k Imperial Guard Infantry Squads and so the heads with caps would be great for a handful of Mordian Guard.

Ste - December 20, 2023

I like the idea of moving the lmg’s and mortar to a weapons frame, but I’d like to keep the number of BARs and Thomson’s as is.
Also, is that sculpt for the AT rifle staying like that? It looks all kinds of wrong!

Brian R. Van De Walker - December 20, 2023

Actually, while I am not personally invested I would look at cutting back on the heads first (particularly any heads options you can get from other British WW1/2 sets you guys do already, you don’t really need to add repeats particularly of helmets), Even just cutting them in half so its so its three of each hat type would work since they would likely have had mixed headgear in the field (this is true particularly for the Homeguard, just pick the heads that look the most fun and keep those) this would likely let you add at least some of the rifles you need.

Also while it is not realistic per say instead of missing out on having tools/weapons in favor of a lot empty left hands, just divvy up single hand weapon/tool poses evenly between the left and and right arms.For example you don’t need the rifle strapped to arm you have on the sprue as much as pistol or the sticky grenade particularly since it is a right arm unless your grenade throwing arm is a lefty or you been thinking of getting rid of one of the two handed firing poses you have in favor of it (which you might want to do anyways), but if it were a left arm it would actually be generally useful and could be swapped in for a lot of stuff.

Likewise you do not need that many automatic weapons, particularly the LMGs. You should get rid of one of the Berns and I recommend having that be the firing bern (probably the ideal option for sprue removal), either that or swapping the firing Lewis gun out for the carry one that way you get more sprue space to play with (point is you only need 1 of each since they both work BEF and Home Guard has following short paragraph). While I personally like the BARs, I have to agree with others you only need one for Home Guard and you should cut it down on the Tommies to 2 maybe even go down to 1.

Now as to Home Guard, in real life they were so under equipped they used everything had and did have had enough weapons to go around till stens where introduced later on. By 1940 they had almost 1 “machine gun”(SMG,LMG,etc.) and a shotgun to every 2 rifles and that would likely be the default base squad makeup up to that point, possibly along some guys armed with pointy sticks and pistols of varying degrees of reliability. So I would only add 3 rifles at most for the Home guard angle since that is more a kitbash army project (ie, someone buying this for home guard is likely also going to pick up at least some sprues of your WW1 British and Partisans, so keep that in mind with regards to the extra parts like the scarf).

I am not really sure if the 2 inch mortar and Boys Anti-Tank Rifle are both real needs for this sprue. Honestly, I kinda of agree with others it might be better to add at least one or both to a future heavy weapon set instead and replacing them with an anti tank grenade or two in this set (or even just that sticky grenade which we all know the Home Guard squad would be more likely to have), but if anti armor is a must cause “Boltaction” I would go with ditching the mortar and keeping the anti tank gun (more flashy and doesn’t need two figures to setup).

You could also try getting rid of a body in addition to cutting down on the headswaps. Its a shame but it would cut down on a lot of parts needed and make this a more doable set for both home guard and BEF (if you decide to ditch the 2 inch mortar, the prone body would be my pick for removal, otherwise likely any of the standing bodies would work, but if there is a way to cut down on needed parts by keeping some bodies and ditching others, do that).

Finally you don’t need the pointy right hand every WW2 set on earth seems to have, they are not actually needed gameplay wise (for most rulesets with decent player bases anyways) so just keep that off its a true waste of sprue space.

Duke Exeter - December 20, 2023

- Definitely don’t need three Thompsons, one would just be fine
- More rifle arms and the Lewis gun over the shoulder (69) would be good
- Don’t need the scarf (88), that can be replaced with any of the small equipment pieces
- Also would really like to have the 2" mortar bomb arm (77)

Doug - December 19, 2023

I’d move the mortar and AT Rifle to the Heavy Weapons Sprue. Drop the heads down to six instead of seven. I’d like more rifles over heads. With six bodies on the sprue I feel like I wouldn’t need seven heads of the same type. That should give you space to fit more on the sprue without losing the different options. I’m assuming most of the kits will be used for Bolt Action (apologies if not), so you wouldn’t need five mortars and AT Rifles (if its five sprues to the box) as you’re only going to run one or two in a game. I’d be looking for a lot of dissimilar rifle arms to outfit a squad of 10 men. I can’t see a huge need for three tommy guns. The scarf is fun, but I can always use one from the Partisan sprues. I’d for sure like to see the two Lewis Gun arm sets since I’d be buying these for Home Guard.

Other than just listing all the problems I would like to end with a well done guys. =)

James Cutts - December 19, 2023

I’d swap out 2 of the Thompsons and 1 of the BAR’s for rifles. They make nice additions for the Home Guard but I just cant see that many being needed especially across multiple sprues worth.

For people looking to create a BEF platoon having more rifle options and poses will be very appreciated and the Boys AT and 2" are very useful things to keep.
Joshua D Burbridge - December 19, 2023

The Boys Anti rifle and mortar belong on the weapons sprue .

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