Female Cannon Fodder


  • Anyone else hyped for the upcoming female Cannon Fodder?

    Love this.  For those not hip with modern AK gun running:  The charging handle on an AK/AKM/AK-74 is on the right side of the weapon.  In order to keep the right hand on the pistol grip and retain control of the weapon/get in the fight again faster all weapons manipulation is done with the left hand.  One ejects the expended magazine by pushing forward with the fresh mag (in left hand) against the magazine release.  The magazine ejects.  The fresh mag is inserted with the left hand.  The firer than reaches under the weapon with their left hand and racks the charging handle in order to chamber the first round.  (The reach under is illustrated in the above pose - nicely done WGA).

    The cover art looks good so far.

    My take:

     



  • What are you planning to do with these kits?

    I'm going to plus up my Rogue Trader era Necromunda Regiment.  Add plasticard shoulder pads and a little disk on the left breast and you're at a 80% solution.  

     

    I found this art online yesterday: 

    And immediately thought the female Cannon Fodder would be great for representing BSG pilots.


  • @Grumpy Gnome 

    Nice.  Yup, that would work.

    Maybe steal a doggo from the WGA German Sentry kit?

     


  • Update as of 11 MAR 22:


  • These:

    Plus female Cannon Fodder = Awesome Space Opera Adventure.


  • Battlestar Galactica seems like it could be a fun idea - I bet that Stargrave rules would be perfect for some skirmishing in that setting, and the Iron Core Isenkern figures seem to me like a "close enough" fit for Cylons.  Sadly, I don't think any of the classic spacecraft scale models are in print anymore, and they would have been in a fairly impractical 1/32 scale, but Moebius seems to make some kits in a more tabletop-friendly 1/72 scale for the reboot series spacecraft, as long as you don't mind them being a bit small - these might work for tabletop scenery (crashed spacecraft as goals to retrieve data or whatever from, for example.)

    Those Bombshell space helmets look fantastic!

    I really think the Cannon Fodder are the best thing out there right now for retro-scifi style multipart figures for pulp-inspired mid- to late-20th Century science fiction franchises like Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, The Forbidden Planet, Star Wars, Planet of the Vampires, Space: 1999, and so on.

    I think I might soup up some sort of home-brew game of some sort that runs on Stargrave rules, loosley based on the "Spaceship Zero" RPG, using Cannon Fodder for human crewmen, and any of the excellent variety of Lovecraft monsters available from Reaper and others for aliens.

    Sadly, I'm feeling a distinct lack of appropriately "raygun gothic" style spacecraft, ground vehicles, and "Robby the Robot" style robots in the right scale....


  • @Yronimos Whateley 

    Some great ideas there.  That would be a fun game/campaign.

    Are you familiar with 7TV game from Crooked Dice?  It kind of captures the feel you are going for.  

    Crooked Dice has some nice aliens and robots miniatures that might support what you are going for.

    Giant Ants!

    Not Cyclons!

    I'm very happy with the quality of the Crooked Dice miniatures I got.

    For instance I have their not Xenia Onatopp mini.

    I have no idea what I'm going to use it for, but when you find a 28mm Xenia Onatopp mini you buy it.

     



  • I have a box of Cannon fodder and will get a box of the female cannon  fodder. My plan for these? I am going to run a one-off Starwars Edge of The Empire adventure. If it goes well, maybe convert it into a full campaign....

     

    The Plot is a penal crew is sent on a work detail to an old Seperatist base. The base has long been abandoned and the area was remote to begin with so it has been years since anyone has been to this orbital base. The detail has both male and female prisoners (the players) as well as some Imperial prison guards (NPCS) here to prepare the base for salvage. One of the NPC prisoners was a Droid tech and somehow brings the station back on-line... his purpose is to kill or distract the guards long enough for him to escape... but... he gets killed first... 

            With no one able to shut them down, insane battle droids start hunting down the prisoners and guards... (If you ever saw the old horror movie - Chopping Mall- you get the idea.) the players have to find weapons, and figure out a way to either shut the droids down or escape from the station... While also battling the surviving guards who are convinced that the prisoners are behind everything...

     

    Eh... thats the plan anyway. I have been in a real Starwars kick after watching Boba and seeing the trailer for Kenobi... If you havent played Edge... its a fun system. Certainly better than the d20 starwars was and I like it better than the old West End d6. 

     

    I think I will only use the bald heads for both the male and female prisoners. The hat-less Pig-tail head will go on a converted female Conquistador... 


  • Definitely hyped.  I want to use both Cannon Fodder sets to make/fill out enemy gangs for Five Parsecs from Home.

    They're both so dang versatile!


  • @William Redford 

    Being trapped and hunted on a prison also reminds me of:


  • @JTam That would work too. Haircuts definitely match. 


  • Looking forward to these, so much so that I picked up three more boxes of the males, since I already used my first two with stargrave parts as armed spaceport workers. Probably going to use these with the males as Belters/spaceship crews/pirates, I'm planning on using the Mantic GCPS jump packs with them since I have a pile of them now available. I'm going to need to pick up some more stargrave sprues to add variety to the weapons, although I've still got piles of Eisenkern weaponry I can use.....also have the extra GCPS arms/weapons as well which should work well as spacesuit arms.

     


  • @Benjamin Hayward 

    Solo adventure wargame rules?

    Intriguing.  Can you tell us about your impressions?

     


  • i was'nt originally planning on buying these but I'm seeing some fun ideas presented here, but first I still need my first death fields set to come in. i ordered it with the extra parts sprew when that was announced and the extra parts sprew finished, but the cannon fodder ran out of stock in the mean time so I'm waiting yet again.


  • @John Wilson 

    I wasn't familiar with the Mantic GCPS minis.

    I think anyone who was looking for near future military forces is covered.


  • @Grumpy Gnome 

    Good to know.  Thanks.

    You paint the eyes?  Impressive.


  • The GCPS sprue is very useful, since it gives you enough arms/weapons to equip them as Marines (open helmet) or Rangers (enclosed helmet, heavier rifle and jet pack). You also get a flamer and grenade launcher per sprue. I'm currently experimenting with using spare cannon fodder helmets and arms on them as Eisenkern planetary militia (removing the rifles and using Eisenkern weapons).


  • @Grumpy Gnome 

    I'm going to try the pen technique.  Thanks!


  • @Yronimos Whateley 

    Just saw that Crooked Dice is having a Kickstarter for some nice retro sci-fi minis.

    (Nothing scarier than skull faced troopers emerging from Uranus.)

     

    Does this count as a "Ray Gun Gothic" style spacecraft?

    Retro robot:

     


  • That's PERFECT!  The character minis alone are excellent, but the rocket-ship is exactly the sort of thing I've been looking for!


  • @JTam I need to get some Crooked Dice stuff.


  • WGA posted an update:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/WargamesAtlanticLegion/permalink/1323003768178771/?app=fbl

    Looks like some Penal Troopers ready to open some whoop a*s.


  • @JTam Hey, there!  I really dig Five Parsecs from Home a lot!  It's become my favorite solo wargame, but "wargame" doesn't quite cover it; it's part-wargame, part RPG.  Now that Five Leagues from the Borderlands 3rd Edition is out, it's replacing Rangers of Shadow Deep for me for my solo/co-op Fantasy gaming.

    In Five Parsecs, you build a crew; each member is unique with not only combat skills, but character traits useful outside of combat, as well.  Outside of combat, you'll send them off to do stuff around the planet you're on: gather intel, trade, recruit new crew members, etc...  I do like Rangers of Shadow Deep's system, where you make one unique character (your Ranger) and then hire a bunch of generic "mooks;" it keeps it real simple and fast.  But in  Five Parsecs, each crew member is a unique character with potential to affect the story that unfolds as you play.

    The biggest improvement Five Parsecs has over Rangers is in the story department.  Where Rangers has you playing pre-made missions with pre-determined events, Five Parsecs has random tables that you roll on to see what's going to happen so every campaign, every mission is unique.  Also, if you want a new mission or campaign in Rangers, you have to either buy a new supplement, find a fan-made one, or make your own, in which case you'll already know what's going to happen.  With Five Parsecs, that one book is pretty much all you need.  Nordic Weasel made a ton of supplements and new content for 2nd Ed., but unlike Rangers it isn't necessary at all.

    Plus, there's tons of cool weapons, tech, special gear; you can buy and upgrade your own space ship, there are lots of enemy types (some of which may become rivals and harass you down the road), environmental conditions (low-viz, low gravity, etc...).  All without feeling overly-complicated.  You'll roll dice a lot, thanks to there being a ton of tables for all kinds of different things (story events, missions, enemies, loot, etc...), but the randomness feels about as close to playing an RPG with a DM as a solo game can feel.  Instead of knowing a lot of what's in store for your crew ahead of time (sometimes too much, as in Rangers), you have to adapt to unforseen circumstances such as a DM might throw at you, and I dig that a lot.  You can play co-op, too!


  • @Benjamin Hayward The game sounds awesome. Glad to know you can actually play co-op, which helps lift the uneasiness of playing a tabletop game solo (granted I'm used to playing multiplayer games, so that might give me some bias). Gonna have to look into buying the books, cause it will give my brothers and I another game to play alongside the Warhammer 40k games I have (9e and Killteam).


  • @Benjamin Hayward 

    Great write up.  I appreciate the time you took to do it.  

    That game sounds great.  Maybe something I can play with my kid in a few years.  

    Also appreciate the comparisons to Rangers of Shadowdeep, a game I was also looking into.

    I will also look into 5 Leagues to the Borderlands.


  • Well this is semi-interesting:

    I've been pretty underwhelmed with the Stargrave plastics.   But maybe some of the sprue will be useful for bashing with the female Cannon Fodder. 

    (If you like the Stargrave plastics more power to you.)

    Honestly, WGA should do a Space Ship Crew and Space Mercenary kit (both very exciting ideas) except, you know, good. 

     


  • Those StarGrave kits aren't bad, especially for what they are - pretty much the only option out there for this sort of thing! 

    But yes:  I think it's a concept that Wargames Atlantic has proven the potential to do much better, with what we're seeing in, for example, the Cannon Fodder and other Death Fields products.

    I can't quite put my finger on what it is that these official StarGrave kits leave me a little flat on - I'm OK with the weird, chunky "heroic" proportions of the weapons and figures, and in general the sculpting is fair enough.  Still, I feel like something is missing - like the StarGrave kits were designed by committee, and the committee couldn't quite settle on what they wanted everything to look and feel like, and like maybe these kits were trying to do an "OK" job on too much, while doing nothing in particular really well.

    Still, I'll want to grab a box or two, for kitbashing purposes (especially the unique alien heads.)  The torsoes and heads are "good enough" for mixing-and-matching with my other sci-fi bits and figures, and the non-weapon gear is always fun to have, even if the (admittedly good) selection of oversized, chunky over-the-top weapons is so far looking likelty to be a bit too "more-of-the-same" of what we've already got from the other StarGrave kits (which was surprisingly consistent across three kits, given the variety of options that several alien worlds and so on might have realistically suggested!)


  • While paying a visit to NorthStar website and looking for any new Coppelstone's models for Rogue Stars -a pity the range is dead- or new FG stuff, I came across an ad for the SF version of the latter. Bought mostly everything for SG thanks to various NickStarters, SG minis were the sole around for a time to offer so much diversity ... as long as you are willing to spend more money for FG sets -like the AWESOME Cultist one- to achieve some very nice results... or the upgrade SF Cultist sprue.. or both. Most of the metal models were a must-have -especially the Zombies, Rogues, Cyborgs, Medics and Troopers Veterans.

    Once shipping added, the love story was less and less glamourous, even if the Crew Set was offering the option to create a not-StarWars Rebel Pilot. The Alien stuff is clearly VERY limited to .. heads. The upcoming extension set The Last Prospector will offer some Space Miner and DarkSider upgrade sprues (both to be used with any FG, OM or SG set) plus the Female Crew set and some metal specialists (not fan of the Trooper with the pretty big Power Hammer...) .. I am expecting a Female Trooper to be released... but more I am buying stuff, the less I feel happy with. 

    I am expecting WGA to learn the lesson well, proposing us more SF related upgrade sprues and/or sets.. Robots could be a lovely addition to DF for instance. 


  • @Steven StGeorges 

    Reference:

    I'm pretty sure the Space Miner upgrade is literally a sprue of Oathmark Dwarfs.  You're supposed to chop their little pick hands off and use those to make your space miners.  I suppose as a bonus you can then add the ray guns to the dwarf bodies to make Squats or similar.

     

     


  • @Yronimos Whateley 

    Reference:

    Eloquently put as always.

    I'll put it another way.  They don't look good.  Or to put it another way, they look cra*py.

    I'm more annoyed than I should be because it is a super interesting subject with SO MUCH potential.  Oh well, 1st World problems.


  • @Grumpy Gnome 

    Totally agree with the Gnome. They do have an Oldhammer flavour, like old W40K models -IGuards, Pirates, Personalities. So not the best sculpt -if compared to models from other manufacturers- but they have a something. I am quite disappointed regarding the Alien option; the sole way to line-up a 100% Alien character is to use a metal specialist or a model from GW, Crooked Dice, whoever...

    The FG sets are solid ones: they do offer a lot of fun and combinations, far less regarding Aliens. 


  • I snagged one each of the Stargrave kits; I dig them, and I'm interested in the new females, but female Cannon Fodder is top priority, for sure!

    They have a good Star Wars/Firefly aesthetic and lots of nice bits for kitbashing.  North Star's Stargrave/Frostgrave/Oathmark stuff is great, too, because their Sci-Fi isn't Grimdark, and their Fantasy is "lower" and more grounded than others' offerings.

    I think the "humans with alien masks" approach is wise, too, in that it's the safest.  If they put out a box of straight-up insect aliens, I may like them and buy them, but another may hate them and pass, whereas a box of human bodies with an insect head option may not be exactly what the insect-lover's looking for, but it's also not a total turn-off for the insect-hater, so both might still buy it, because it's a decent middle ground.

    That said, I would like more "alien" aliens to fill out my rosters.  WGA's Giant Spider and Lizardmen sprues are friggin' genius (Sci-Fi and Fantasy all in one!) and I'm sure gonna snag those in time.  I also think straight-up accessory/upgrade/customization sprues -- nothing but heads, arms, holstered pistols, pouches, grenades, gear, etc. -- would sell really well

    Also, greebles!  Maelstrom's Edge has a bunch of greeble sprues for terrain and vehicles, and they're awesome.  I think they're a bit high-priced, but may snag them just because it was a great idea on their part and I wanna support stuff like that.  Wouldn't mind if WGA did something similar and perhaps cheaper! 😉

     

     

     


  • I've previously described the Stargrave miniatures as background Star Wars extras....they look like they would fit in the background of the original movie on Tatooine.

     


  • @John Wilson 

    Or even the Return, thanks to the Boushh helmet part of the Crew set... 


  • I like the Stargrave kits. They suit general SF gaming - I'm mostly using them for the Traveller RPG - but you have to consider how young Stargrave is. The three kits issued at launch are basically equivalent to the original Frostgrave Soldier kit. Osprey/North Star stick to a slow but steady miniture publication rate; the female kit is a welcome addition, but I don't expect more than one or two extra kits per year - roughly that rate of Frostgrave. 

    A lot depends on sales, though. If Stargrave is a hit (or even a steady earner), we're likely to see robots, aliens, maybe hero kits equivalent to the Frostgrave Wizard and Knight ones (a little cheaper, less figures per cost but lots and lots of acessories).

    And... they kitbash very well with Cannon Fodder. And Frostgrave kits. And other WGA ones.

    Star badges courtesy of the Dead Mans Hand gunfighter kit. Too chunky for those figures, really. Perfect for this.


  • @Yronimos Whateley  "Sadly, I'm feeling a distinct lack of appropriately "raygun gothic" style spacecraft, "

    How about a nice rocket ship?

    Rocket Ship

    https://www.amazon.com/Green-Toys-Astronauts-Vehicle-Playset/dp/B00BPRLGVE/ref=sr_1_4?crid=GR08H3JBUSWG&keywords=green+toys+rocket&qid=1652147596&sprefix=green+toys+rocket%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-4


    There are some scale comparison pics in this blog post - also a toy flying saucer.

    https://firedrillhero.blogspot.com/2018/10/more-vehicle-size-comparisons-apcs.html



  • Oh, now there you go - that's not a bad rocket - since I posted that, other people have found some nice rockets I'd never have come across myself, and it's greatly appreciated!

    For this purpose, I'm cool with anything from Ming the Merciless' War Rocket Ajax (in imitation of old-school newspaper comic strips), to Pegasus' Luna Rocket Ship (sort of a generic '50s rocketship pastiche), to the Lost-in-Space Jupiter 2 or Battlestar Galactica Viper from the '60s and '70s would fit my broadest definitions for "retro sci-fi" or "raygun gothic", even though they cover a lot of ground:

     

     

    And @Mark Dewis found a picture of some kit-bashed Stargrave figures that do manage to nail the spirit of the thing really well, too:

    Wargames Atlantic's Cannon Fodder right out of the box are more or les son target, too, with the exception of the guns being a bit post-Starship Troopers and Aliens for "Raygun Gothic" proper:

    Most of the Galaxy Laser Team toys from the '60s and '70s fit, as a product of the end of that era, and Star Wars and Star Trek technically fit into it as well while bridging over into a more modern era of sci-fi (for example, Luke Skywalker's land-speeder from the original film is a beautiful example of Raygun Gothic design!):

     

    The rubber-mask aliens are definitely a part of the whole thing - Star Wars, Star Trek, Lost in Space, and the like wouldn't be the same without them!  These robots, like R2-D2, are iconic products of the era as well:

     

    You're probably right on target for the era if your characters have capes, tights, micro-skirts, synthetic fabric in loud colours, weird badges, and hints of kightly or Trojan or Roman armor to the costumes, the guns and spacecraft have fins, the spaceraft are gracefully streamlined (even though it doesn't make anything "go faster" in space!), and the robots, cars, and space suits have big transparent bubbles and exposed levers, buttons, switches, and lights!  :)  

    It's sort of like decades of "missing-link" between what we'd call "Steampunk" today, and the "used future" meets "Space Marine" thing of big, boxy, industrial-style, lived-in and heavily-used spaceships and rifles that you'd find in modern futuristic sci-fi (pioneered in part by Darkstar, Alien, and Star Wars....)

    So, I think the heyday of the "Raygun Gothic" era mostly spanned the '30s, '40s, and '50s, with prototypical examples dating back even earlier in the century in pulp sci-fi illustrations and the occasional early sci-fi movies (Metropolis 1927 probably set the whole tone), and hold-overs going into the '60s and '70s (with the later examples of Star Wars and the Flash Gordon movie being deliberately "retro" in calling back to old sci-fi serials!)

     

    I think I digressed from the original topic, though - I'm looking forward to thse Cannon Fodder ladies for all kinds of different projects - they're maybe not quite right for the Raygun Gothic or Steampunk settings, but they'll be great for things like Cyberpunk, Space Marine and Used Future style subjects, dystopian and apocalyptic sci-fi, modern subjects, and more, and the various heads shown in preview renders promise some great options for characters when used with the Cannon Fodder 2 kit by itself, and when kitbashed with other sets!


  • Another possible use for Female Cannon Fodder:

    Milicianas


  • @Yronimos Whateley 

    As a point... I didn't "find a picture". I took a picture and uploaded it. Those are my own kitbashed figures.


  • @Grumpy GnomeEileen refeirs to Mantic as the creamy figures. and says, please leave em, they`ve no definition, I think that fits for the old and sadly some new.


  • Preorders open! Just pre-ordered my box. :)


  • The preorder e-mail made my day!! Got three boxes coming to me, for a combination of my own Cannon Fodder army, as well as for general sci-fi/solo wargaming use. Can't wait!!


  • Got my order in. Wasn't up to waiting to have enough cash to avoid postage this time!


  • @Mark Dewis Same... Though I probably should have added a box of Goths, but I think I will just order some sprues for those first.


  • These are in stock and available in the US. Hopefully that means orders will be shipping soon. 


  • And like magic... :) I got my shipping notice!


  • Still waiting on mine. Come on, Australian warehouse... 😒


  • Does anyone know when the UK warehouse will be dispatched?


  • Yesterday night, I decided to have a break and a smoke lurking on Etsy.ca and Myminifacrtory at the same time; results when searching for "warhammer 40k", is always coming back with pages and pages of stuff..  then I was lucky enough to dig out that very "appealing" and quite "particular" not-IG regiment .... Mister JTam's dream comes true... Gentlemen let me introduce you to the Pinup Corps, also known as Guardbabes, coming soon in a brot... err a battlefield near you... 😁

    Regular Guardbabes

    Stormbabes

    A large selection of Heavy Weapons ... 

    ..some Bouncers to take care of specific opponents.

    ... some Officers and Assistants

    Light armored vehicle with multiple weapons choices available

    and even an heavy tank in case of...


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