Does anyone else other than me wish to propose that Wargames Atlantic produce Pig-Faced Orcs, like the old-school Advanced DnD art from the 70s? If not as a full set, than perhaps some conversion bits.
Proposal: Pig-Faced Orcs
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I like the idea!
Would probably work great with the Guards and Villagers boxes!
Also some variation of orc's compared to other genres would be refreshing...
Maybe a box with Beastfolk in generell could work and sell well👍
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Just for you I'm running a poll on Facebook!
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honestly i like the look that the grand battle scale Orc boxart has, with its Angus Mcbride style orcs.
that said, if they want to do 28mm orcs, i including some pig-snout orcs as an alternate head option wouldn't be a bad idea. when i search for such images, the body styles and armor styles certainly fit the McBride style, so alternate heads should be easy enough to swing. though if you want them, i'd suggest adding some sample images of the types you mean, since it seems there were a lot of variations to the theme.
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@Tobias Heunemann I lik the Beastmen idea! I'd prefer the pig-faced orcs as a separate kit, but we could absolutely use more beastmen miniatures.
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@Hudson Adams Thank you! Hopefully this pig-faced orc train will gain traction.
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personally i rather liek the angus Mcbride style orcs depicted on the boxart for the grand battle scale figures
that said, i see no reason why if/when they do a 28mm scale kit, they couldn't include variant heads that would fit the 'pig faced orc' look. certainly the bodies and armor+weapons should work visually for either,.
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@Hudson Adams Yeah I know and I voted yes on them, whats more I think they should have big heavy bayoneted percussion cap pistols like in Natural Doctrine along with typical curved blade and mace weapons. Also bonus points we can use them for pigfaced beastmen.
(as an aside I personally think most beastmen should have seperate tribe sets, at least hooved leaf muchers versus pawed meat eaters, unless we are talking the "animal ears and tails on human" route animes tend to go, in which case 1 to 2 boxes with favorites options)
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eh.. i liek the Angus McBride style underbite orcs from the cover art of the grand battle figures. those would be good in 28mm. but no reason why you couldn't do pig faced orcs as part of the variant heads in such a set. the body type and armor/weapon systems ought to work for either style of head.
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@Mithril2098 A set of heads would be fine by me! Pig faced orcs tend to be little different from a regular human anyway. Besides the head, of course.
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I'd go for a good set of Pig Orcs.
Otherworld made a great line of them, but they've sadly shut down. I'm kicking myself for not picking them up when I had the chance.
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I voted yes for Pig faced orcs on FB. Yeah, I too kind of think separate set for pig faced orcs, what more I would like to see them carrying heavy bayonetted percussion cap pistols like they do in Natural Doctrine. (of course everything but the bugs had guns in Natural Doctrine, and this pic and youtube video was the best I could for them carrying guns).
Either way though we could double use them as boarmen style beastmen.
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@Doctor Tyrannosaur The Otherworld pig orcs certainly look the part! I think Dragonbait miniatures picked up the Overworld stuff. They also carry the Dark Fable pig-orcs, which were also sculpted by Kev Adams and look very similar. Truly great minis, but they're too "heroic" scale for my purposes and too expensive for the mass battle project I'm trying to get afloat. I still got a few and had a blast painting them.
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@Stuart Shumack actually with orcs one can apply the "Xeno scaling rule" to an extent if your using historical scale humans (ie the sizing doesn't have matter as much with non-human subjects) and I have seen media franchises were the visual diffrence between humans and orcs is that extreme, most notable being Natural Doctrine for the PS3 and 4 were the pig headed orcs were practically ogre sized, though I suppose it does depend on taste.
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That's true. Though, the pig faced orcs in the old DnD artwork don't seem particurally larger than the human characters they're fighting. The Dark Hold versions absolutely are though; hence, they won't work for my project, as much as I like them.
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@Stuart Shumack Well, for pig faced orcs I would actually be kinda of happy with mildly bigger to historical scale humans (like the lizardman are to historical, except with potbellies) but I know why that would be an issue for some wanting the 1st edition look.
Either way I would like to see them packing some percussion cap pistols as left and right handed options.
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@Brian Van De Walker Ha Pig orcs with percussion cap firearms gives me vibes of The Island of Dr. Moreau.
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@Stuart Shumack I was thinking a cheap alternative for a certian game while also being usable for pulp and fantasy games. Plus it was dang cool in Natural Doctrian.
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Don't know how many people remember these guys from a short period of time in the 1980s US toy market, but they were pretty obviously "inspired by" the old D&D monster manual art:
They were "Green Army Man" style fantasy figures manufactured originally by Dimension For Children (DFC), before DFC was sued by TSR, and the molds made their way to a Chinesee bootleg market and vansished.
Not much use for 28mm tabletop gaming (I think they were closer to 75-90mm!), but it was kinda neat seeing this subject covered in plastic around 40 years ago, at least! They make a great retro-fantasy orc in a world where Warhammer, World of Warcraft, and WotC D&D have redefined orcs for the modern market (not necessarily for the better!)
I don't think they're far off in spirit from Wargames Atlantic's retro-fantasy goblins, really, and I think they'd play well together. I wouldn't mind seeing a set for Digital Atlantic at least, if not a full-on hard plastic boxed kit.
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