Dwarf ideas


  • @Brian Van De Walker the ones on the classic fantasy range. They're not boring, they're near perfect. A little smaller axehead, a proper crossguard on the sword and they'd be perfect. And a spear, bow and crossbow option. No firearms, steampunk is horrible.

     

    @timbus the thirteenth got Oathmark ones. The medium infantry are very nice, as are the heavy, but both of those got wrong helmets. So does the light infantry. Proper spangenhelm all the way. As to your comment for Brian, I feel weirdly insulted and seen :D (the Kharadron are a blight upon the world tho)


  • @Piisami Lets agree to disagree on weather they are boring or not😆, they are pretty much the oathmark dwarfs all over again with less options and armored up to be even more like dark age Northern Europeans in chainmail* which is one of the most over done topics in plastic minature at the moment as well the most over done theme for dwarves.

    They don't even have proper guns for Kings of War, they are just a bland LOTR theme set to me which is a pity since dwarves could be so much more than that .

    *(and clearly the Scandi ones at that, the heads may as well have come in a set of historical Viking set. If your really having an issue with the heads oathmark has I suggest looking at the Victrix Dark Age sets) 


  • @Brian Van De Walker Oh, I disagree they're the same. Disagree hard on that.  Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion. Victrix heads sadly do not fit the Oathmark bodies, they're too small. I tried that.

    It's not overdone, it's the proper theme. What I'm seeing is weird steampunk / renaissance popping up everywhere, and that's just not that good. All these weird new theme dwarves are just useless, to me at least. If they weren't metal I'd buy a couple hundred Ragnarok Miniatures dorfs, they're proper good ones. I don't think there is a single proper viking-dorf plastic set available, despite your claims. No, Oathmark is not that. It gets close, but not quite. No, neither is LOTR dorf from GW. Double no, triple, quadruple no on GW Old World dorfs, where's their legs at?

    Those WA sculpts on classic fantasy got better looking body proportions on them, they got better helmets, they got a proper look in general. Superior to Oathmark, except weapons could stand to be a bit less exaggerated.

    The unarmored Light Infantry from Oathmark is a tad better, but they sadly don't come in single weapon and shield without kitbashing.


  • @Piisami  Your so wrong on that😆.  Not only is  it over done (Em4 does norse dwarfs, oathmark does norse dwarfs, God only  knows how  many norse dwarfs you can 3D print out, same deal with metals, etc.) there is plenty of ways to  actually convert them from other sets (ranging from converting viking sets to simply sticking random dark age warrior heads and arms on halfings since there little noticable diffrence between the dark age Northern europeans). 

    Likewise the norse Viking culture is perhaps the most overused or atleast second most overused theme in fantasy  (wargaming or otherwise, it actually overdone for historical wargaming and fiction too at this point😆), basically the old raider culture is overhyped  to the point I would argue  it is no longer a proper theme for anything non-historical if done plain jane like the stl ones,  it is just being lazy with  dwarfs or whatever other fantasy race your making norse, it needs to be more than just historical Vikings squatted which is what the STLs are, (they should at least add some horned helmets or something since the ones they have are just boring historical helmets you can get the in historical Viking Age sets, like buy Saxons you should get some😆point is I have come to deeply despise the helmets you love as far as fantasy topics go😤).

    Also the "weird steampunk dwarfs" as you call them are far more in line with classical fantasy dwarfs than the "riped off histiorical Vikings" ones considering the WFB dwarfs where always gun totting scots,  heck even in the original  old pagan Norse myths  dwarfs where  craftsmen who wore goggles and created artfacts that could best be veiwed as "magitech", not short stack Vikings,  thats like making them lesser mortal beings, why bother  with them in that case when can just use human vikings?


  • I've often said that dwarves are somewhat like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. everybody knows what a pb&j is like, they're not hard to make, and you've eaten it a million times. but doesn't make them bad at all! I bring a pb&j to work every single day, cause they're easy to make, taste good, and have a million little variations to keep things fresh. classic fantasy dwarves are pretty similar! they've been done a million times, but they never really get old cause they're dwarves, and everybody likes dwarves. (unless they're a filthy knife-ears, but that's a separate conversation). so I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the existing design.

    however, market saturation is a genuine problem, and so I do think it's valid to ask if the existing dwarf designs need to be spiced up a little. WGA is famous for dual kits, so I do think they could make everybody happy here. Just off my Very Untrained eye, it looks like there'd be tons of room on the sprue to go wild with extra bits, and maybe even some death fields upgrades. guns! grenades! dwarven gas masks! go weird and wild with it, while still keeping a solid core of Dorfiness. it could be a really fun kit, imo.

    either way, both of you please do remember to keep this polite. it's good to be passionate about toy soldiers, but at the end of the day they're just toy soldiers, and hypothetical ones at that. not worth being rude about other people's hobbies for.


  • @Brian Van De Walker I won't say you're wrong since it's all an opinion, but I will say I disagree with you. Let's start with rehashing the fact that Oathmark are not norse, and neither are the old Grenadiers. Oathmark, well my mate calls the general aesthetics there fantasy Arthurian and I think that's the best description, more or less. The heavy ones are roman-ish, both in helmets and the armor got vibes of lorica segmentata, the medium ones are pretty close but the helmets are not, the light ones, ditto. Splitting hairs, maybe, but what else you gonna do on the internet? I do like them and unless something better comes on the market am likely to buy more of them but I am not excited of the prospect.

    Sure, there's lots of variety in 3d prints. I think you can get most anything, really, even make your own. Don't think that's really relevant to discussion as you can probably get whatever else you want, too. Metal, personally I'm not a fan. I got traumatic experiences of the constant chipping of paint and the hardened layers of cyanoacrylate I always end up with on my thumbs when working with metals. If I didn't have this aversion I'd buy loads of Ragnarok, Medbury and when they come on the market, the Warhost dwarves. The latter are at least partially Rus inspired, so it's likely there's gonna be some sculpts I won't like that much but what are you gonna do.

    As to the rest of your post, I just don't think that's true. I keep hearing that thing but I'm never seeing it. Warhammer, steampunk-renaissance. Warcrow, steampunk-renaissance. Kings of War, steampunk-renaissance. Warmachine, yeah. What else, just everywhere I look I see sculpts I personally do not like in aesthetic styles that I do not like and frankly think are overdone. Unlike the personally preferred dark ages. Hell, most fantasy seems to be this cod-renaissance thing these days. Have you seen the artwork in the newer editions of dnd?

    As to the whole last paragraph, I just don't think that's true either.

    @timbus the thirteenth Exactly. There is An Objectively Correct And True Version Of Dorfiness. Now, as I just stated there I'm not sure the market is saturated. Granted, I'm only a market segment of one and might be weirdly particular in my tastes but I have trouble finding what I'm seeking. If I wanted dorfs with high medieval-renaissance armaments, Guns, what have you, it would be super-easy to find. I may be wrong, I have been before, but this is my experience. 


  • i wouldn't mind a few nods to Discworld dwarves if a kit gets done. they're fairly stereotypical on the whole, with their axes, chainmail garments, etc. but you could add some 'deep-downer' heads (hoods and masks), maybe some rat themed customization bits (eating a rat, ot some rats tied to a belt, etc) maybe a set of dress/kilt legs..

     

    one thing i'd love to see weappons wise is mattocks.. which are a sort of combo axe and pick. tolkien's dwarves of the iron hills used them in the hobbit, but they almost never show up. but they're mining tools easily turned to war.

    also they need the option for really big backpacks, like the iron hills dwarves.


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