New Brits


  • Ready for tooling WW1 Brits and no one has posted here yet? Blimey!



  • I know... I thought there would be more excitement about the sprue that was teased. Even Dakkadakka was more quiet about it than I expected.


  • I think the lack of excitement is strangely due to how long people have been waiting.  The reaction is more "Oh, weren't they out already?"

    I'm far from the first person to note this... But if WGA was a little less scattergun (which I kind of personally enjoy) and more focused with releases they could perhaps generate more excitement/buzz/sales.  I.E. there would be more excitement/sales if the French, Germans, and British and their support weapons came out about the same time.  People want to be able to buy "complete" forces.  And there is only a limited window to capitalize on initial excitement.  

    This is kind of like the self defeating slow roll out of Necromunda.  

    As always my advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.


  • Oddly, I'm less pumped for these because my main focus for Brits is 19thC colonial. Perry make two excellent kits for those already, and all I really need for the 1888 to Boer War period are Lee-Metfords/early Lee-Enfields (they're almost indistinguishable from each other at 28mm). Although you CAN make a fair copy of those by gluing the front half of a Martini-Henry (of which I have a surfeit in 28mm) on to the back half of a SMLE. So I will get this kit. 


  • Brief article over on Beasts of War with full sprue shots... I will be curious to see what comments they get over there.

     

    https://www.beastsofwar.com/modern-warfare/wargames-atlantics-28mm-ww1-british-plastic-kit/


  • @JTam Yup! I just got tired of waiting. 

     


  • @JTam I agree, I had assumed it was taking awhile because they were sculpting an additional body and pose like what was said when the set was announced. Although, I was pretty excited to see that they incorporated woseley helmets after so many people had asked for them. It's a bit disappointing not having an officer or any Anzac heads, especially the slouch hat, which seemed to be requested by a few people.


    Maybe they could release a separate sprue for these since there seems to be some interest in a sprue like that. Overall, it still looks like a solid set. 


  • For reference during discussion.

    They do look really good.


  • @Mold 

    Well a "Command / accessory" sprue ala the Italian Infantry box would have been very welcome.  

    But failing that I'm glad we aren't ending up with 5 officer bodies ala the French Infantry box set.  

    Various alternate heads and an officer body seem like an ideal thing for the STL line.


  • I'm hoping there is an officer (perhaps a command section?) as you say chaps, as this would round things out nicely... just started exploring some new "small unit/trench raider" WWI rules so these will be perfect :)


  • @Bill Thomas agreed. If there is a second sprue with an officer body it might expain all of the 6th heads on the main sprue. We could hope for Commonwealth heads as well (Sikhs, Bush hats).

    If not, the French officer body is a fair substitute. Remove the front lacing, or convert the boots to puttees. British officers purchased their own pistols (although the Webley was still a common choice), so you could even use the French issue revolver if you felt like it. Or a Colt M1911.

    https://collections.royalarmouries.org/first-world-war/type/rac-narrative-75.html

    "Officially the sidearm of the US military, British and Canadian officers also made use of the M1911 through private purchase. It proved a popular choice amongst soldiers in the harsh conditions of the trenches, as it rarely misfired."

    Trophy Mausers and Lugers were also in use. Potentially ammunition supply was an issue, but if you're looting guns there's usually ammo handy too. Plus pistols would tend to only be fired occasionally, such as during a trench raid.

    In any case, you could model a British officer with any historically available handgun and not be wrong. 


  • @Mark Dewis 

    There's a nice break action revolver as well as a holster on the British sprue. 


  • @Bill Thomas 

    What are these trench raiding rules?  


  • @Mark Dewis I hope there's a second sprue with exactly those heads and an officer but we will have to wait and see.

    I think the upcoming Russian infantry set would also be a good substitute for a British officer in the unfortunate event the British don't have an officer. They both seem to have a similar looking harness attached to their belt.


  • @Mark Dewis I believe I have a suitable officer to go with these fine troops 🤣

    I've saved up a bunch of Webleys (along with 1911s, Lugers and Mausers) from "other sprues" so I'm fine for creating trench raiders, and I'm pretty certain in that type of scenario they would have picked up what was at hand... and we know the old "broomhandle" was a bit of a favourite for many, and there's one on the German sprue I believe 😍

    @JTam there's a new outfit showing some beta rules for a game called "Scouts Out" at the moment if you haven't yet found them of facebook... nothing ground breaking but simple and quick by the look of things... and they have some nice wee figures themselves 😉


  • @Bill Thomas 

    I'll check out "Scouts Out.".   Thank You.

    The pictured miniature is a great choice.  Is that a Wargames Illustrated mini?

    There's a "broom handle" on the French Resistance sprue as well..

     

     


  • @JTam yes, I noticed that, and one on the Boxers sprue too I think?

    And again yes; the "Lord Flash" figure was the WI show figure for SALUTE... 2019 I think from memory. I created a "pulp" style adventuring group around him, so I think they'll all have to come out of the box 🧐

    There's a neat little "Freikorps" scenario in the in the One Hour Wargames book that I think could be modified to work with Flash and his friends playing the investigating side; I'll be needing some British Riflemen and a Lewis Gunner, so the new set will be ideal 😍


  • Another Wargames Illustrated miniature that would make a great leader for the WGA Brits:

    The miniatures uniform and equipment is generic enough to be WW1 or 2.

    https://www.wargamesillustrated.net/product/adrian-carton-de-wiart/

    https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=12965

     

     


  • @Bill Thomas 

    Good call on the Boxers.  I didn't realize there was a broom handle on the sprue.  

    All that bare wrist would facilitate the old drill out the end of the arm and insert the wrist part way in ... creating a super strong conversion.


  • A week really is a lifetime on the internet. I've been so wrapped up in other things I just noticed the announcement today. But this is really cool and I'm very glad to get these in plastic. Someone has already mentioned the odd arrangement of the webbing on the back of the figures. I'm not going to stress about it because when the backpack is on it won't be visible. 

    Some things about the sprue I really like. There are enough components to make a full lewis gun section, which is the gunner, the number 2, and six men to carry ammunition. I love the pail of lewis gun drums. I can't think of another line that offers that. 

    For anyone wanting to model soldiers on a trench raid, private soldiers often carried pistols on raids instead of rifles so the pistol arm is great to have.

    Ive seen complaints about too much gear on the sprue, but actually there are many more things they could have included.  There is no leather jerkin, no sheepskin. The Sikh turban. The Australian hat.  Kilts, kilt covers. No Gor Blimey cap! A rifle grenade will be easy enough to model with putty. If you really wanted to capture the early war you would need a different head for the gas helmet. The whole subject is way too vast to capture on one sprue. So I think they did a good job of picking some essentials and there are lots of great figures to be made from this.

    Looking forward to getting these.


  • As far as officer equipments, you really need the Sam Browne type belt. Which the French officer has.

    Warlord are a good source for weapons - they retail their sprues direct and the WW2 British one is mostly suitable for WW1 use. Keep an eye on them this week as they have been known to do Black Friday deals. I got a bunch a few years ago at 50% off.


  • @Allan Lougheed To say the least there is a lot that could be added to an additional sprue. Wargames Atlantic does have an upgrade sprue for deathfields so producing one for the British might be a viable option since there seems to be some interest in more poses, figures (officer), and heads such as the Australian slouch hat.


  • @Allan Lougheed 

    Huh.  The back IS odd.

    It's regrettable that we are now forced to attach the packs.  I guarantee you few brought those a trench raiding.

    I agree with you they did a good job of picking essentials.  And the Lewis drums are indeed a nice touch.  

    The sun helmets make the kit more flexible and fun.  But I personally would have left those for the STL line and tried to fit in more typical equipment like picks, etc.  Or even better another body if possible (maybe with jerkin).


  • I don't buy the line that it was too hard to do the X staps; every other manufacturer (Warlord, Perry) does not seem to have any issues with that. Feels more like the sculptor made a mistake and it wasn't picked up before tooling.

    @JTam outside of the Western Front, sun hats were default. You'll need them for Palestine, which is arguably a better theatre for WW1 wargaming anyway. Gallipoli, too.

    Watering the Desert - Away from the Western Front

    Lest we forget our other heroes of war | CNN

    Tin hats were generally not worn there. Too hot.

    (However, I'll concede it was most common to see them worn with shorts.) 


  • Although I still think they should add an officer body to the sprue, among other things, technically you can still make one with a regular soldiers body as seen in the image below.


  • @Mark Dewis 

    Just what would you say the ratio of Western Front to all other WW1 Theaters gamers is?  

    I know there some weird street cred with historical gamers about gaming/talking about the most niche stuff they can find....   But gaming the WW1 Africa campaigns is the fringe of the fringe of a fringe.  

    Ditching the sun hats would definitely have made room for picks, shovels, and other equipment.... Or perhaps even another body.

     

    Also the British weapons sprue is indeed on sale now:

    The rifles are WW2 types, but acceptable in 28mm if you snip off or don't use the ones with spike bayonets.  

    Plenty of shovels and a pick to festoon the advancing Infantry with.  The Mills bombs are useful too.

    Not approp to WW1 but I love the Bren accessory bag on the sprue.  Warlord did a great job here.  


  • I would suggest these Brits with the sun helmets work for more than just WW1. 

    Both “Pulp” and “Back of Beyond” gaming for example...

    https://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/list.php?cat=2&sub=12&page=1

    https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?board=4.0

    Raglan over on Lead Adventure really sold me on Interwar Back of Beyond gaming. It is part of the mix of interests that has drawn me to the Quar. 

    Here are some of his sun helmet wearing BoB Brits.

    Here is the thread this photo is from...

    https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=112073.315


  • As I said previously the sun hats are fun and add flexibility to the kit. 

    But WGA's new STL line and the selling physical copies of the STL line changes the complexion of everything.  

    The plastic kits should maximize value and "mainstream" parts.  

    The Sun Helmets could have been an offering just like this:

     


  • @JTam I would disagree, it was a world war afterall so ideally you would want to portray some fronts other than the west especially when it's the British. The Wolseley Helmet then opens up more opportunities for wargamers to cheaply and efficiently assemble an army for campaigns in the Mesopotamian front or East Africa. There can be an argument made for the STL line for some heads, like the Anzacs or Gurkhas, but the Woseley Helmet was such an iconic piece of headgear for multiple fronts in the First World War that I would argue is just as essential as the brodie helmet and peaked cap.  


  • Wrong harness? No harness = scalpel 😆@JTam yes, I have "Anton" too, but now he has a Mauser 😇 

    Whatever the shortcomings of these may or may not be I'm just happy that there'll be a boxful of British Tommy goodness... my "bits box", scalpel and glue stand ready!

    I just finished putting together a sprues-worth of the Great War French, mostly straight off the sprue but with some small mods to the officer and a "close quarters specialist"... but now I need to paint them which is always my nemesis...


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