I just picked up TSB and am so pumped about this ruleset. I plan on making a Spanish warband as soon as that set is available (hint hint WA) that I can also use for Muskets and Tomahawks. In the meantime I assembled this ragtag group of adventures for a steam punky French warband. I'd love to see whatever other warband kitbashes you all have done, too!
@Daniel Broaddus Thinking about these rules, after a very pleasent night watching,"Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" both Eileen and myself really enjoyed the film, so these rules could be a hit.
I'm currently awaiting a box of British Riflemen and the Warlord Waterloo starter kit. In the meantime I have obtained some interesting reading for monsters.
Fascinating! I've been thinking about getting a sprue of the English riflemen and some of the Prussians to bash together for a Prussian warband.
@Daniel Broaddus
That team looks great. Really well done. I wouldn't have thought to use Grognards for Silver Bullet. But sure enough they look like an awesome French Napoleonic Steampunk war crew.
@Daniel Broaddus
Where's the front right body from?
And the left rear guy's tricorn?
Thanks!
@JTam
Front right body looks like Frostgrave Soldiers
@JTam The front right is my "irregular" and he is a frostgrave warrior soldier body with WA conquistador arms/matchlock. The tricorn hat dude is WA Dark Age Irish with a frostgrave rope over the right shoulder and the hat is from Perry miniatures AWI British infantry.
I little more inspiration for Silver Bayonet. I picked up some tarot decks to replace the playing cards with (you just need to set aside a bunch) I think they will add to the atmosphere.
Sharpe is a standard go to for Napolionic settings, and there are plenty vampire and werewolf movies to take inspiration from.
Silver Bayonet has brought a new flame to my hobby. I loved Bram Stroker's Dracula as a kid. I would love an army game with a similar setting. One that is more like Oldhammer, just a reason to pit fantasy models against historicals.
@Daniel Broaddus
My Silver Bayonet French project:
Wargamer Hot and Dangerous Hussar, Old Guard Grenadier, Polish Lancer, and Officer. Brigade Games Sapper. Warlord Games Vivandiere and two sprues from issues of Wargames Illustrated.
The Hot and Dangerous models are incredibly detailed and finely casted. I am slightly worried about them being too fragile for the gaming table .... but it will probably be all right once they are assembled.
The Grenadier is a great model. Bayonet is frail but looks good.
The Hussar is also a gorgeous model. The seperate torso means creating a dismounted version will be relatively easy. (I need to order a second model for the dismounted conversion.... I was holding out until I got this model in hand and saw the way the parts broke down.) I think some of the Wargames Factory female Zombie survivor legs will work with some file work for dismounted Napoleonic cavalry legs. The new Deadman's Hand female Gunfighters II legs might also work.
I think "Bonnie" will make a fine Officer with some chopping and possibly leg swapping. It's going to be a chunk of work. Haven't really hacked on a metal mini in years.
The Polish Lancer is a little disappointing. The pose with the lance will make making a mounted version difficult. It's hard to substitute other weapons in the dismounted pose. Additionally her overalls are sagging which is fun for a pinup but less so for what I'm trying to do. A shame as it's otherwise a beautiful mini and I LOVE Polish Lancers.
EDIT: It's also disappointing that there's no rules for lances in Silver Bayonet. Seems like it would be a natural choice for trying to deal with monsters. Easy enough to make my own rule/points I suppose.
@Daniel Broaddus
I also picked up a WGA Goblin and Rifleman sprue to kitbash into Silver Bayonet Goblins.
I'm picturing some of the goblins wearing shakos and carrying captured bayonets as sidearms.
The leader goblin will be wearing a pelise. Classy.
That's going to be an amazing looking warband and that's a great idea for the goblins. I used all my left over dogs to make the grey wolves and picked up some reaper minis for a werewolf and the big wolf creature. I was definitely thinking about using the WA goblin set. I think I saw either on the legion page or maybe the TSB page someone had used the Prussian reserve models and bashed skulls under the hats and used those as revenants. I might look into that as well but between the gobos and the wolves I've probably got enough baddies for a while!
My British Silver Bayonet project:
At left, a Warlord British Napoleonic cavalry sprue that came free with a Wargames Illustrated. On the far right is another free sprue of later period British Infantry. I believe some of the heads could still be of use.
Metal miniatures top row: Brigade Games female Spanish Guerilla, Brigade Games female Spanish Guerilla mounted, Brigade Games female civilian mounted. Metal miniatures middle row: Brigade Games Sergeant Harper and Sharpe, Wargames Hot and Dangerous 95th Rifleman. Metal miniatures bottom row: Warlord Games Witchfinder and assistant.
I love the Sharpe books too and the Peninsular campaign.... so my British warband will be operating in Spain and lead by CPT Sharpe and Sergeant Harper. They are of course are augmented by a native Spanish guerilla. The civilian female on horse is just a nice mini and may figure into a scenario.
Look at the incredible detail and fine casting on the Hot and Dangerous Rifleman. Do you see the air between the handle and handguard on her sidearm?
Close up of the Hot and Dangerous Highlander.
@Daniel Broaddus
Others have talked about a WGA Zombie conversion sprue. (Zombie heads and arms/hands). Sure would be convenient to bash some Rifleman or Prussians with.
Have you found your scarecrow model yet?
@William Ings
I was also thinking of picking up a hollow book like this:
In order to hold the warband and cards. Maybe put in dividers. Maybe line it with metal sheet for magnetic bases.
Maybe a blue book for the French, and a Red one for the British.
I would also like to do a Austrian, Bavarian, and Russian warband at some point.
@Daniel Broaddus @William Ings
I don't know if you saw this thread when it came out:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/community/xenforum/topic/61743/napoleon-era-weird-war
It should be of interest.
@JTam I haven't yet but I've been thinking about what would make good substitutions. I've already decided to make a more renaissance-esque warband using my Spanish and thought about using Lizardmen and Aztecs for some of the NPCs.
@Daniel Broaddus
That could be a really cool setting.
If you can lay hands on the old Warhammer Lustria supplement book it might be of use/inspiration to you. It has some special jungle rules, tips on terrain building, and some really nice/evocative renaissance men vs lizardmen art:
(^ Really an incredible piece.)
......
Fast forward to just a bit before the Napoleonic era:
This report on the San Juan Expedition by the excellent American Revolution Podcast might be of interest:
http://blog.amrevpodcast.com/2022/04/arp245-san-juan-expedition.html?m=1
It's got combat, muskets, disease, desperation, and a young Nelson.
@William Ings
This novel is chock full of Silver Bayonet goodness:
It's got everything you want: Russians, combat, vampires, frostbite, and a hooker with a heart of gold.
In the end it's an entertaining if not great novel. Certainly worth picking up for Silver Bayonet inspiration if you can find it at a decent price. I got my copy off Ebay if I remember correctly.
Thoughts on the French and Indian War as an alternate setting for Silver Bayonet:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/community/xenforum/topic/78358/french-and-indian-war
@JTam I am using the Conquistador boxes for a Silver Bayonet campaign during the Portuguese Age of Exploration.
@Vitor Soares
That sounds awesome as well. Any particular region picked out as a setting yet?
This thread may (or may not) be useful/of interest to you:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/community/xenforum/topic/76284/conquistador-inspiration
@JTam I have read the thread, it is very interesting, but being portuguese, I have a lot of references (every history book in school, and half of our literature).
I started the campaign in north Africa, mostly because I have some sarracen miniatures, and they will go on to Brazil, India and Japan.
@Vitor Soares
I had completely forgotten about the Portuguese involvement in Africa. (Though I shouldn't have, I had a buddy who learned Portugese to go on mission in Mozambique).
Fascinating stuff. I need to restudy the Portuguese Age of Exploration.
If this thread has inspired anyone to give The Silver Bayonet a go:
@JTam How do you like the game itself? I read a review on @Grumpy Gnome 's blog and he basically stated that the book is well made and the minis nice but the rules had some issues... (like weapon ranges being a bit off and not a lot of distinguisment beteween weapons). Also, I have seen people saying about playing in an earlier setting. Do the rules support that? Could you play a 30 years war silver Bayonet campaign? Or a "Spanish gold" campaign?
Though a Last of the Mohicans with vampires sounds fun.
@William Redford I like the game a lot, maybe because I am also a big fan o Rangers of Shadow Deep and Frostgrave. There are some issues, but I solved them with some minor homebrew adaptations.
It is very adaptable, my first game was against my younger brother, in the French Indian War, he palyed the british, using their list, and I played the Iroquois, using an adapted Russian List (just because 😁 ). I have also seen some AAR of game with different samurai factions in the Sengoku period.
So both your campaings would be very easy to do, the spanish gold campaign is basicly during the same age of my Portuguese Age of Exploration campaings.
@JTam if you need some information, I would be happy t help.
@Vitor Soares Ok. I am interested. I backed Blood And Plunder for ships and pirate crews... along with militia and troops. A Silver Bayonet pirate themed game might be fun. I will see if I can get any interest with my gaming group.
@Vitor Soares
A very kind offer. Thank You. I'll probably just start by going down the wikipedia rabbit hole.
@William Redford
The Silver Bayonet rules could easily cover almost the entirety of the black powder era. Which kind of leads into what I think is one of it's two greatest weaknesses.
Weakness 1: Lack of granularity. The weapons are really generic. You could substitute a crossbow for a musket and the rules work just as well. As an example, the rifle has longer range than the musket, but the reload speed is the same. Any student of the era knows this isn't right. Even the blurb for the weapon in the Silver Bayonet rulebook discusses the slower loading speed of the rifle, but it's not represented in the rules. I know many prize speed and flow in game rules over all else, but I prefer more granularity in a game with 8 models per side.
Weakness 2: The reload times are too fast. Models run and gun all over the board like they are in WW2, not laboriously reloading muzzle loaders. More realistically you should probably get A volley and than it's silver bayonet time.
It's still a fun game over all and YMMV.
@JTam Interesting to see your opinion matches mine. I do hope the game improves with more expansions. Frostgrave and Stargrave have improved over time.
@William Redford I'm also wanting to get into B&P. Just recently discovered a lot of the Firelock stuff and really love that system for the accessibility. B&P is definitely the "flagship" ruleset (pun intended) but I definitely recommend looking into the other stuff if you haven't already (Blood and Steel, Blood and Valor). They're running a 20% discount off their stuff through tomorrow. Great chance to buy up some of those cheap pdfs.
@Vitor Soares
Have you seen the newish series "Boundless"?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0B1L5ZMF6/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r
Well done miniseries on Magellan.
I was at Hobby Lobby yesterday and they had a nice selection of mini trunks and similar that would be great for storing Silver Bayonet stuff/warbands.
I particularly likes the look of these:
I went with the larger of the two. Will try and hold the rule book, cards, dice, tokens, and a warband or two in it. (Or maybe all the opposition forces).
With the 50% "Table Decor" it was 20 dollars out the door.
@JTam I have, I liked it. Of course, it is a spanish show, from the spanish perspective, but I liked it.
It is very much the time period and the looks I have used for my conquistadors in my Silver Bayonet campaign. I only changed the colours, tv shows and movies like to give the renaissance and medieval times a gritty, dirty look, and actually they used colourful clothes.
@Vitor Soares
Where they speaking Portuguese when Magellan was in Portugal (first episode)?
Pardon my ignorance, but I have a hard time telling spoken Spanish and Portuguese apart.
@JTam They were. They are actually speaking it with a brazilian accent ( the actor is brazilian), which is the historically correct accent.
Modern European Portuguese is much harder to learn for english speakers, Brazilian Portuguese sounds more like Renascence Portuguese.
Modern European Portuguese has a lot (really, they are a lot) of sounds (phonems) from African Dialects and Asian Languages.
That means that Brazilians have some dificulty undertanding some of our words, and we undertand everything they say.
As an example, the vast majority of Spanish do not undertand European Portuguese, and I mean at all. Portuguese undertand Spanish perfectly, Italian with ease (especially the Sicilian and Napolitan dialects), Catalan to us sounds like a drunk guy, most Romanian words, and French, German and English are very easy, every student in Portugal has, at least, 12 years of English, 5 of French, 3 of Spanish and 3 of German.
If you like history, you can get a lot of information on the influence of the Portuguese language in Asia.
@Vitor Soares
Fascinating. Thank You.
Brazilian Portuguese being closer to old Portuguese is at first counter intuitive. One would think the "colony" would diverge more.
Although I was reading about some old and ISOLATED Russian speaking communities in Alaska who speak a dialect far closer to old Russian than modern Russians speak. The Russian lanquage in Russia drifted and modernized over the years while it stayed virtually frozen in these small communities.
Project coming together.
Cards arrived:
Trunk, rulebook, cards, and dice:
@JTam The shift is gradual, and Brazil is a country that received influences from other European languages, like italian, that have no African or Asian influences, so they stayed as they were as phonems are concerned.
European Portuguese received massive African and Asian influcences, so it developed different ways of saying the same words.
Also, Brazilian Portuguese has the habit of adapting English words, with portuguese endings, and European Portuguese doesn't do that.
It is a similar process to that of the different types of English.
@JTam This is a known effect. Some US accents are supposedly closer to 18thC English ones than modern English ones are.
Although, as with here in Australia, there's a melting pot effect from the various regional accents and vocabulary getting smushed together in the colony. Australian has a definite Irish influence, for example, due to the relatively high percentage of Irish convicts and emigrants.
Picked this up at Ye Olde Hobby Lobby today.
It's a hollow book that is held closed via a magnet.
This week it's 50% off "table decor" so I think this was about $11.00.
Glue a metal plate on the bottom, or magnetic sheet and it would work great for storing some miniatures.
It's deep enough that maybe only pikemen and standard bearers might be problematic.
They had two smaller sizes as well.
The look of the "book" is OK for generic Silver Bayonet, but it would be an exceptionally good fit for a Portuguese Age of Exploration theme.
These came in today:
Quite pleased with them. Will use them for clue markers.
For scale:
Also saw this "storage book" at Hobby Lobby the other day:
Just about perfect for Silver Bayonet. Hopefully it will still be about when "table decor" goes on sale again.
Shipment today from Black Pyramid Gaming!
Black Pyramid Gaming is in the UK, and I am in 'Merica! But the ordering was uneventful and the shipping speed good. Moreover, the shipping cost was fairly reasonable by ordering from the UK standards.
I expected them to be metal for some reason, but they are some kind of resin or plastic? And seemingly primed?
The Needle, Becky Sharpe Vampire Hunter, Madame du Nuit, and Marshall Baron Samedi.
Madame du Nuit, Pat, Major S Zombie Hunter, and The Needle.
All sharp, nice quality sculpts.
I planned on trading out The Needle's weedy looking pistols for proper weapons so the resin/plastic is convenient.
Madame du Nuit was the main reason I made this order. She will be the core of my Austrian force, surrounded by loyal Grenzers. Really like this mini. It may be hard to see but she has a carbine hanging from the hip as well.
I ordered Baron Samedi to be a Vampire for encounters, but on closer inspection I can't tell if he has fangs or a super bad outbreak of Herpes.
I'm a little disappointed with Pat. He should be a great bear of a man, and his is almost the smallest miniature. I do like his oversized volley gun and slung rifle.
Battle of the Sharpes:
Left to Right = Sharpe, The Needle, Pat.
Black = Black Pyramid Gaming.
Metal = Brigade Games.
Of course you can make a nice Sharpe and Pat from the WGA Riflemen kit.
Made a sub-thread on the Silver Bayonet trunk project here:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/community/xenforum/topic/79234/silver-bayonet-trunk
WGA Goblins converted into Silver Bayonet Goblins here:
Picked up some cultists:
A "ghost":
And two werewolves:
(The gigantic one is from Anno Domini.)
